You use the SRS overlay dude.
Spitfire XIX Squadron Trg SUNDAY 21FEB21 1930UK
Re: Spitfire XIX Squadron Training SUNDAY 17JAN22 1930UK
Flight Lieutenant
Steve "Mad dog" Loates
RAF Air UK - XI (F) Sqn
Sqn Chief Flying Instructor
Steve "Mad dog" Loates
RAF Air UK - XI (F) Sqn
Sqn Chief Flying Instructor
- john (scooby)
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Re: Spitfire XIX Squadron Training SUNDAY 17JAN22 1930UK
could you be a bit more specific? i have the overlay ingame but didnt know i could interact with it
Sqn Ldr (Scooby) Burton RAF Air UK
XI(F) Sqn 2ic
XI(F) Sqn 2ic
- john (scooby)
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Re: Spitfire XIX Squadron Training SUNDAY 17JAN22 1930UK
my overlay doesnt look like that
Sqn Ldr (Scooby) Burton RAF Air UK
XI(F) Sqn 2ic
XI(F) Sqn 2ic
Re: Spitfire XIX Squadron Training SUNDAY 17JAN22 1930UK
You're winding me right!
Before you put on your googles, hold it in you hand so you can see the screen, start DCS and connect to the server and jump in a cockpit, In 2D start SRS and click on Toggle Overlay, adjust freq.... Put on VR and play.... else start with goggles on and alt tab to srs etc
Its all in the dummies guide
Kind Regards
Chris
Chris
Re: Spitfire XIX Squadron Training SUNDAY 17JAN22 1930UK
Spitfire XIX Squadron Training SUNDAY 23JAN22 1930UK
Please ensure you are set up correctly for SRS and the operation of the installed radio sets. These are a simple piece of kit with 4 channels. I have set them for 101, 102, 103 & 104
Additionally SRS expansion is configured on the SRS server which gives us 2 additional pseudo radios for convenience of training. Radio 2 will need to be manually tuned using the 'WINDOWS' overlay and the small buttons above and below the freq. VR users will need to ALT TAB to SRS and open the windows overlay, set the frequency, and then (option) close the overlay.
Radio 1: Cockpit installed MW configured 101, 102, 103 & 104
Radio 2: SRS pseudo AN/ATC 186 REQUIRED to be configured 119.1 ATC Tangmere. This should allow a bearing back to base to be obtained.
Radio 3: SRS pseudo An/ARC 164 default 251.00 Common
A personal warmup pattern, anticlockwise, standard pattern or fighter break, IP mentored.
Practice finger 4 or VIC 3 (numbers dependent) including splits and rejoins
Simple mission, enemy intercept
Any one with limited Spitfire experience who may still have an interest in flying with the XIX please try and get in in these early sessions. We all have experience with modern aircraft but prop stuff is completely different and needs a different approach. Once the group does beyond a certain stage it will be difficult to join in without experience.
Hopefully see you later....
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The formation consists of a flight of four aircraft, consisting of a "lead element" and a "second element", each of two aircraft. When viewing the formation from above, the positions of the planes resemble the tips of the four fingers of a human right hand (without the thumb), giving the formation its name.
The lead element is made up of the flight leader at the very front of the formation and one wingman to his rear left. The second element is made up of an additional two planes, the element leader and his wingman. The element leader is to the right and rear of the flight leader, followed by the element wingman to his right and rear.
Both the flight leader and element leader have offensive roles, in that they are the ones to open fire on enemy aircraft while the flight remains intact. Their wingmen have a defensive role — the flight wingman covers the rear of the second element and the element wingman covers the rear of the lead element.
Four of these flights can be assembled to form a squadron formation which consists of two staggered lines of fighters, one in front of the other. Each flight is usually designated by a color (i.e. Red, Blue, Yellow, and Green).
One disadvantage of the finger-four formation was that it left the least-experienced flier, the number two wingman, in the most exposed position (as "tail-end Charlie"). These were particularly vulnerable to a surprise diving attack, and in some cases could be picked off without the others in the formation even noticing.
Please ensure you are set up correctly for SRS and the operation of the installed radio sets. These are a simple piece of kit with 4 channels. I have set them for 101, 102, 103 & 104
Additionally SRS expansion is configured on the SRS server which gives us 2 additional pseudo radios for convenience of training. Radio 2 will need to be manually tuned using the 'WINDOWS' overlay and the small buttons above and below the freq. VR users will need to ALT TAB to SRS and open the windows overlay, set the frequency, and then (option) close the overlay.
Radio 1: Cockpit installed MW configured 101, 102, 103 & 104
Radio 2: SRS pseudo AN/ATC 186 REQUIRED to be configured 119.1 ATC Tangmere. This should allow a bearing back to base to be obtained.
Radio 3: SRS pseudo An/ARC 164 default 251.00 Common
A personal warmup pattern, anticlockwise, standard pattern or fighter break, IP mentored.
Practice finger 4 or VIC 3 (numbers dependent) including splits and rejoins
Simple mission, enemy intercept
Any one with limited Spitfire experience who may still have an interest in flying with the XIX please try and get in in these early sessions. We all have experience with modern aircraft but prop stuff is completely different and needs a different approach. Once the group does beyond a certain stage it will be difficult to join in without experience.
Hopefully see you later....
_______________________________________________________
The formation consists of a flight of four aircraft, consisting of a "lead element" and a "second element", each of two aircraft. When viewing the formation from above, the positions of the planes resemble the tips of the four fingers of a human right hand (without the thumb), giving the formation its name.
The lead element is made up of the flight leader at the very front of the formation and one wingman to his rear left. The second element is made up of an additional two planes, the element leader and his wingman. The element leader is to the right and rear of the flight leader, followed by the element wingman to his right and rear.
Both the flight leader and element leader have offensive roles, in that they are the ones to open fire on enemy aircraft while the flight remains intact. Their wingmen have a defensive role — the flight wingman covers the rear of the second element and the element wingman covers the rear of the lead element.
Four of these flights can be assembled to form a squadron formation which consists of two staggered lines of fighters, one in front of the other. Each flight is usually designated by a color (i.e. Red, Blue, Yellow, and Green).
One disadvantage of the finger-four formation was that it left the least-experienced flier, the number two wingman, in the most exposed position (as "tail-end Charlie"). These were particularly vulnerable to a surprise diving attack, and in some cases could be picked off without the others in the formation even noticing.
Kind Regards
Chris
Chris
Re: Spitfire XIX Squadron Training SUNDAY 23JAN22 1930UK
Surely flight wingman covers flight leader and element wingman covers element lead?
- john (scooby)
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Re: Spitfire XIX Squadron Training SUNDAY 23JAN22 1930UK
the flight wingman covers the rear of the second element and the element wingman covers the rear of the lead element.
im confused, both number 2s cross cover each other? they would need to be line abreast with each other to do that and both pairs would need to stay in finger 4 at all times aswell, am i missing something?
im confused, both number 2s cross cover each other? they would need to be line abreast with each other to do that and both pairs would need to stay in finger 4 at all times aswell, am i missing something?
Sqn Ldr (Scooby) Burton RAF Air UK
XI(F) Sqn 2ic
XI(F) Sqn 2ic
Re: Spitfire XIX Squadron Training SUNDAY 23JAN22 1930UK
That was a straight copy & paste job.
Think of it as 2 pair, each a lead and a wingman.
The wingman obvious covers the rear of his lead but when in finger four the two wingmen cover the rear of each other as well. The article makes the point that the element lead wingman may be so far back as to make his six covered by the other wingman very difficult ....
On attack the 4 would probably split into 2 pair, an offensive lead and a defensive wing.... until it all go to rats and it everyone for himself, probably.....
Think of it as 2 pair, each a lead and a wingman.
The wingman obvious covers the rear of his lead but when in finger four the two wingmen cover the rear of each other as well. The article makes the point that the element lead wingman may be so far back as to make his six covered by the other wingman very difficult ....
On attack the 4 would probably split into 2 pair, an offensive lead and a defensive wing.... until it all go to rats and it everyone for himself, probably.....
Kind Regards
Chris
Chris
- john (scooby)
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Re: Spitfire XIX Squadron Training SUNDAY 23JAN22 1930UK
ok are they 2 seperate pairs when the shit hits the fan?Chris wrote: ↑24 Jan 2021, 01:33 That was a straight copy & paste job.
Think of it as 2 pair, each a lead and a wingman.
The wingman obvious covers the rear of his lead but when in finger four the two wingmen cover the rear of each other as well. The article makes the point that the element lead wingman may be so far back as to make his six covered by the other wingman very difficult ....
On attack the 4 would probably split into 2 pair, an offensive lead and a defensive wing.... until it all go to rats and it everyone for himself, probably.....
flight wingman and element wingman need to be level with each other to give proper cross cover, so id suggest flight wingman drops back to acheive that, maybe even dropping line astern to lead that way itd be less likely to spread out enough to make keeping viz on element wingman difficult
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Sqn Ldr (Scooby) Burton RAF Air UK
XI(F) Sqn 2ic
XI(F) Sqn 2ic